Just wondering which version I should get. 11.5 looked great. I waited for the upgrade and would like to start on some projects in the next months. It looks like they might have put more effort into getting the MX fuctions to work with other Magix software than to develop this software for it's own sake. So I wonder if it is more similar to Music Maker now, and less advanced in other ways.
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The price is a lot lower, even the more advanced of the 2 current versions at $99 is half the $199 that 11.5 was. I'm looking to work on songs and acoustic sound sources, but also incorporate a lot of experimentation with midi and other technology/effects.
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I mostly want everything to sound like real instruments, though, even if some are not. I like things simple, but with a lot of advanced capability under the hood. 11.5 seemed like a good fit, but this new version seems like a very different product rather than an update of 11.5. Does anyone have experience with both products or can shed light on the differences between them?
The trial version really threw me for a loop. I've spent some serious $$$ and still have a fraction of the functionality the demo had. Don't be fooled!!! The Sam demo that I got was the full-blown version. I popped $60 for that as I thought it would be a great deal.
Then I realized that after showing me a demo of Samplitude, the download was MAGIX samplitude. Very limited functionality! I requested a refund so that I could buy Sam 2013 and Magix gave me a prompt refund.
I even spoke with a rep about my problem and told him what I planned to do. Now Samplitude 2013 can't even sync up clips or objects that are not soundpool files. I'll bet that if you were to download the demo for Magix Samplitude today, it would be the same full-blown version. I've never felt so reipped off in my life!!!
I guess I'm struggling to find the value in the $99.00 I've spent but now I think it's just time for me to cut my losses and move on!!
As stability is the priority with the Pro product line I understand that features are often floated in the consumer products first but common! That preset list has been in for a WHILE. It is in Producer 11.5 which is from 2011!
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I would expect Pro X would ONLY be a superset of Producer 11.5. Of course the other side of that is that support for the consumer products has in my experience been thin so even with new features there may be too many bugs that often don't get fixed before the next consumer Studio iteration comes along. I think I'm still leaning toward the Pro version just for that reason. PS - Thanks for the visual illustration of what you meant.
The time you take to help others is seldom seen on ANY board. Kraznet, Thanks for the input. I have tried copying synths as you have and found that SOMETIMES it works and other times no dice.
When a customer has more than one Magix product installed ALL resources like Soundpools and synths SHOULD be available to each product. With a great synth like Revolta 2 one can design some great sounds and then 'upgrade' to find the synth no longer available in the new product even though it's still installed on the machine!
That's just not okay. Speaking of Revolta 2, that is a really great synth. I have seen DNe1 on the web site but it doesn't look like it's even in the same class. What's your opinion? As for 32 bit synths. As an example, I only have a 32 bit version of Zebra CM at this point. U-he's stuff is amazing so I wouldn't want to lose that.
I don't know if some of Urz other older synths like Nexus are available in 64 bit either. Every product has it's share of bugs and I found many in Studio MX (like a completely broken hardware controller setup) but as mentioned Producer 11.5 seems to work fairly well. Has Pro X gotten to a pretty stable point? I would hate to step backward even with the multicore support. I gather the old dongle licensing approach is dead and Pro X now uses online registration. Is this correct? I assume I can install on a desktop and a laptop?
Thanks, Scott. It's time I finally upgrade to the real thing - Pro X. Producer 11.5 has been pretty good but it's getting old with no multi-core and no 64 bit support. I was honestly thinking about just getting Music Studio 2014. However I don't think that even comes with Revolta 2 anymore and my previous experience with the very buggy consumer level Music Studio MX made me think I should spend the extra and get the pro product that SHOULD be a lot more solid and better supported. Keygen for mac torrent.
Opinions are welcome on that supposition. I have a few questions before upgrading. Hopefully you all can answer. I will be running Pro X on an i7 with 8G ram which I assume should be good to start with? - I know Pro X has a built-in bridge for running 32 bit VST's. How well does that work?
I have some favorite synths that are only 32 bit and would like to continue using them. It seems everytime I buy another Magix product the selection of Magix Synths changes which is frankly rather annoying.
The Pro X bundle I'm looking at also comes with Music Maker Premium 2014. Will Pro X actually locate and use the Music Maker synths inside Pro X? Music Studio MX for instance found synths in Producer 11.5 and added them to it's internal synth list. Or will Pro X just ignore Music Maker?
I really don't have much interest in Music Maker except for the sound files and the extra synths so I probably won't be using it. Thanks, Scott. I've just switched from a 2.9 AMD X2 to a QX6700 quad which is clocked to 3.2GHz and I have a lot more headroom now, but having said that, the AMD dual performed very well and was very reliable. I've used AMD CPU's for 10 years and I've not had one fail on me yet, I only ended up with the QX quad because it was cheap off a friend. I'm glad to hear you got yourself sorted. I've always liked AMD also.
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It may be that Dell had a lousy chipset with performance bottlenecks that are not obvious. I have a Q6600 quad desktop that also does rather well with Samplitude at only 2.4Ghz.
I have no experience with MMX, but I do with Magix audio products for the past four years or so. Maybe point Prod 11.5 to scan the MMX folder and see if that works. I don't think that will work as it complains about the version of Century Guitars. I tried importing the whole Century Guitars folder into Producer to no avail. It was interesting how MSMX did it. It simply found Producer and then created shortcuts to Century Keys, Saxophonia and Jazz Drums in it's own Synth folder. MSMX was clearly designed to find and consume the instruments from older products.
This shortcut method did not work the opposite way unfortunately. I tried to create a shortcut to the MSMX Century Guitars folder but Producer simply ignored it. I'll just have to run MSMX if I really want Century Guitars for a track in Producer. Not a great workflow but it's at least available that way.
Vita has a pretty good sounding guitar within Producer anyhow. If it was up to me, and its not, since I have nothing to do with the consumer line of MAGIX, which producer and music studio fall under, I would call them MAGIX music studio, and completely distance it from Samplitude. Its a stript down consumer product, yet people buy it and wonder why it does not do certain things. Seriously, if you want to do what the big boys do, you gotta buy the real gear.
You get what you pay for. The day I purchased a Manley Mic Pre, is the day I realized that to be true. A $1500 pre amp does not sound anything like a $.25 IC chip pre amp in a $100 mixer.
Its a new world at that point. I have people email me all the time about Music studio, pissed off that it won't do 7.1 surround or DDP.I am surprised people spend $100 and think its actually going to LOL. Anyway, if I was King! I totally agree that if you want the big features you buy the big product. I wasn't actually pointing out missing features so much as the fact that Samp Music Studio MX is NOT creating future Samplitude users when it's released in half-baked form.
IF Samp Music Studio was well tested it would still be a tremendous value for $60 and a great introduction to Samplitude's UI and object oriented approach and DAW's in general. In it's current unpolished form though I would agree with you. It would be better for Samplitude if Music Studio did NOT share the name. It's not doing you any favors. Well, I don't know if I'd call it progress yet.
This was written with tongue in cheek. Didn't mean for it to come off serious. Samp Music Studio 14 is what eventually led me to Sam 11/ProX. I learned a lot from Kraznet's vids on big Sam and was able to apply a lot of this to SMS14.
Some acquaintances purchased Sam Prod 11.5 recently when it went down to $99 upon my recommendation and I was surprised to find out so many of the features of my old #14 were missing from this new version. The feature set, and price, is why I went to big Sam over Samp 15 and then Producer 11.5. Maybe Magix will put everything right in the next version of Samp Producer. Probably not. Still love my Sam 11!
My response was equally tongue-in-cheek. I knew what you meant.:-) I would gladly follow your lead but as it is strictly a hobby at this point I just can't justify big Sam. I've had Music Studio 12 Deluxe for quite a while. It had a great feature set but of course is not at all happy on the latest OS's. It was time to get something new which is why I was happy to see 'Samplitude' Music Studio MX at Best Buy. It's missing Take Manager and other features the marketeers ripped out but at least it wasn't limited to 8 VSTi's!
Sadly MSMX shows every sign of being really rushed out the door. For now, Producer will do the job - much better than MSMX. I will upgrade in the future to the real deal when I'm creating material that justifies it. Most of my time I'm a software engineer and a Dad so who knows when that will happen.:-) Scott Yeah. Kraznet's video's are great.
I was really going crazy trying to follow his hardware controller setup video in MSMX until I realized that feature was broken in MSMX.:-(. @Tim: Music Studio was a stripped down version of Sam classic until version 15 or 16.
It made moving to the fuller version much easier. Now it's UI is different and dumbed down quite a bit which I thought was the job of Music Maker. Oh well, progress. Well, I don't know if I'd call it progress yet.
Here's some more of what happened to Samplitude Music Studio. I was rather happy to see Music Studio MX show up at BestBuy (still the only place you can get it as far as I know). I went out and got it immediately. After several weeks of learning just how broken many of the features are I am now running Producer. You can get rid of the silly Music Maker UI in MSMX and Producer by selecting the Power User workspace which looks just like Samplitude. Hardware controller setup appears broken - VST parameter dialog - completely broken - Docking system - unpredictable - Transport nevers stays put when undocked - modules don't resize properly - Disappearing MIDI editor menus and transport bar - VariVerb demo crashed program entirely - Score Editor zoom problems - MSMX starts up behind other windows and inactive on several systems I tried.
Track editor info not updated till Play button pressed - etc. Tim, If Magix is going to have Music Studio share Samplitude's name the obvious intention is to introduce users to the greatness of Samplitude in hopes that a percentage will eventually upgrade to the high-end product when they can afford/justify it. When I saw it was called Samplitude Music Studio my expectations were higher than they would have been for just Music Studio. Unfortunately at this point MSMX does not represent Samplitude well at all. It certainly needs quite a bit more time in the oven. Don't get me wrong, I think MSMX could be a tremendous value and wonderful way to introduce people to Samplitude but it isn't there yet. One last point.
All versions need to have multi-core support in this era of computing. That's not a luxury feature. Don't turn off future upgraders by having the base model perform poorly on their multi-core laptops and desktops. :-) Sounds like an old Sci-Fi movie title. I already had Producer 11.5 installed but I really wanted access to Century Guitars. As Century Guitars is not available for Producer (not even for purchase I gather) I had to install Samplitude Music Studio MX just to be able to use it.
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After installing MSMX I noticed that MSMX listed all the Magix instruments, even those installed with Producer, as available for use! So Century Keys, Saxaphonia, and Jazz Drums all showed up in MSMX! Producer does not seem to have been effected by this. Unfortunately it does NOT show the MSMX instruments.
That would have been nice. I wish the transfer had gone the other way but I'm surprised it happened at all. Maybe a simpler question will get a reply? Does the standard stereo peak meter visualization in Producer, or other version of Samplitude, work only in playback mode or also in full monitoring mode? Is there some option to control this?
I have my system set up for ASIO, full monitoring and while the master output meter in the mixer works just fine during live monitoring, the VIP peak meter ONLY works during when the VIP is played. I have Producer installed on two completely different systems and they both behave this way. Well there are too many variables to really come to a conclusion here but. I built a new machine from the ground up. Intel Core 2 DUO P8400 2.26Ghz 4G RAM Win7 Home Premium 64 (hand tuned down to 31 processes at idle) It absolutely blows away the AMD system running at a slightly higher clock rate.
The Intel system operates very well with ASIO4ALL buffers at 512 or less. Lower CPU usage and has no trouble with any of the VSTi's that caused audio dropouts on the AMD machine. All in all, the Core2 DUO laptop seems a very capable DAW. Now aside from the CPU we are talking different chipsets controlling everything from memory to disk access. Also, the Win7 scheduler is no doubt more advanced than the XP scheduler. If nothing else it verifies something we all should know. That the performance of your DAW is determined by more than the CPU speed.
Also another point on interest. I tried Win 7 Ultimate first (yes these are legal installs) and it turned out to be a total pig compared to Win7 Home Premium. Ultimate and Pro add a bunch of stuff you simply don't need for a clean DAW. I must have something setup badly. Just got my Producer 11.5 setup working and everything seems normal EXCEPT. The peak meter on the VIP does not register the levels of a VSTi driven by live MIDI input unless the play button is pressed. I KNOW that sounds just like some newb who isn't running ASIO and doesn't have the monitoring set to full.
Well I'm running ASIO4ALL 2.10. The monitoring is set to full, Tape monitoring. The whole mixer is running and the master meters on the mixer register the output levels of the VSTi just fine, but the peak meter in the VIP doesn't do anything until Play is started.:-( What am I doing wrong?
I've been using MS12 and Samp MSMX for a while so I understand the idea of live monitoring with ASIO. I haven't seen this before with those packages. Thanks for any help. I just got my serial number for Producer 11.5.
I am setting up a dual core laptop (unfortunately I gather Producer will only use one core) as a DAW so I have to do a clean Win7 install on the laptop before it's ready for Samp. Before I install Producer and use the serial number I wanted to know the restrictions. Can I have Producer 11.5 installed on more than one machine? I'd like to install and test it on my old machine but I don't want to cause myself registration headaches.
I didn't see licensed installation limits info anywhere in the download manual. Thanks, Scott.
Yeah, you wouldn't expect that multi-core support/optimizations would really be considered a 'feature' that would be disabled, but sure enough, it is. That's simply poor business decision making. 'Well, this car is our base model. It only turns left.
If you want the full range of 'features', you'll need to look at our luxury line. The Super-Deluxe model has gold accents and turns both directions!' It's just basic marketing.
Remove features when creating a base model, don't remove basic functionality. These days being able to actually use the power your computer offers in the form of multiple cores is basic design for any computationally intensive application. I once bought an HP all-in-one scanner, copier, printer and found after several days of using it that there was in fact NO WAY to make a grayscale copy. Yes that's right. Every copy was full color and there was nothing you could do about it. Some IDIOT at HP decided that was a great way to sell more ink! Even HP's support people couldn't believe it when I brought it to their attention.
HP, in their infinite wisdom, decided that you would have to spend $100 more to get the copier that had the B&W Copy button that wouldn't use all your color ink duplicating the shade of the paper you chose to write notes on. I never purchased another HP product. That kind of grotesque greed simply drives customers away. Are you listening? You don't get people to upgrade to the high-end product by creating a poorly performing base model.
If we are right about you purposely removing multi-core support, then you are actually producing an introductory product that requires a faster, more powerful computer than the professional model because the pro model will take advantage of the all the cores while the base model ignores all but one. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!! This is nothing new.
To my knowledge, Music Studio and Producer have never offered multi-core support or optimizations for some strange reason. Strange indeed. They already heavily de-feature Samplitude in order to make Music Studio which makes good sense. I understand you don't want a low-end product canibalizing sales of a high-end product.
However, the whole point of the low-end product is to make some money AND show people what a great high-end product you have so that they upgrade to the real money product. If you PURPOSELY diminish the performance of the low-end product to the point where it will not perform decently on a standard machine then you end up chasing customers away to your competition. This is pretty basic marketing that I would assume Magix understands, but if MSMX really has no support for multi-core they are only harming themselves. I hope we're wrong about this. Reaper is $60 and it supports multi-core!